1 00:00:08,990 --> 00:00:07,160 the planets thought the Masters almost 2 00:00:11,299 --> 00:00:09,000 surely have a plan 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:11,309 this clearly may be something near 4 00:00:17,710 --> 00:00:13,810 beyond the realm of man 5 00:00:20,260 --> 00:00:17,720 thoroughly tested every last coaster 6 00:00:44,060 --> 00:00:20,270 I find the more you think you know the 7 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:46,319 how's it going higher side shatters 8 00:00:49,619 --> 00:00:48,250 drinking a little drink smoking a little 9 00:00:51,389 --> 00:00:49,629 smoke and just trying to have a good 10 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:51,399 time with this life despite the shadowy 11 00:00:55,500 --> 00:00:53,890 elites best efforts and one topic I've 12 00:00:57,509 --> 00:00:55,510 really been interested in lately is the 13 00:00:59,189 --> 00:00:57,519 influence of otherworldly entities in 14 00:01:00,930 --> 00:00:59,199 our reality and though I've never been 15 00:01:03,060 --> 00:01:00,940 big on the bearded man in the clouds 16 00:01:06,060 --> 00:01:03,070 motif it seems pretty apparent that 17 00:01:08,550 --> 00:01:06,070 unseen spiritual forces exist and can be 18 00:01:09,810 --> 00:01:08,560 interacted with through various means so 19 00:01:11,460 --> 00:01:09,820 when I find someone who's written about 20 00:01:14,430 --> 00:01:11,470 these sorts of things I get a bit giddy 21 00:01:16,380 --> 00:01:14,440 so of course we get into magic religion 22 00:01:18,570 --> 00:01:16,390 consciousness hidden history the 23 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:18,580 esoteric world view held by secret 24 00:01:22,249 --> 00:01:20,170 societies and a bunch of other stuff 25 00:01:24,810 --> 00:01:22,259 along the way I haven't heard back from 26 00:01:25,830 --> 00:01:24,820 double nickel yet who was this month's 27 00:01:27,690 --> 00:01:25,840 money bomb winner 28 00:01:29,460 --> 00:01:27,700 hopefully they'll check that email soon 29 00:01:31,499 --> 00:01:29,470 and we'll hear from him next time and 30 00:01:33,870 --> 00:01:31,509 until then let's just dive into it 31 00:01:36,059 --> 00:01:33,880 multi-dimensional influences from beyond 32 00:02:17,350 --> 00:01:36,069 the fabric of reality and the ISA Tareq 33 00:02:21,650 --> 00:02:19,820 all right people as we explore the 34 00:02:23,539 --> 00:02:21,660 crossroads between the paranormal and 35 00:02:25,550 --> 00:02:23,549 the conspiratorial certain themes seem 36 00:02:27,289 --> 00:02:25,560 to really and one of those is 37 00:02:29,690 --> 00:02:27,299 involvement of non-human entities 38 00:02:30,949 --> 00:02:29,700 spirits angels archons demons or 39 00:02:33,229 --> 00:02:30,959 whatever the name you want to give them 40 00:02:35,330 --> 00:02:33,239 ancient writings talk about them openly 41 00:02:37,460 --> 00:02:35,340 secret societies perform rituals in 42 00:02:38,780 --> 00:02:37,470 their honor and shamans regularly wade 43 00:02:39,410 --> 00:02:38,790 through the spirit realm like it ain't 44 00:02:40,850 --> 00:02:39,420 no thing 45 00:02:43,039 --> 00:02:40,860 yet we live in a world where the 46 00:02:44,839 --> 00:02:43,049 dominant materialist worldview leaves no 47 00:02:46,250 --> 00:02:44,849 room for the otherworldly and a guy like 48 00:02:48,410 --> 00:02:46,260 me has to wonder if that's an 49 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:48,420 unfortunate coincidence or a calculated 50 00:02:52,009 --> 00:02:50,250 corralling of the modern man's mindset 51 00:02:53,630 --> 00:02:52,019 it's one of my favorite slices of the 52 00:02:55,759 --> 00:02:53,640 THC pie and today we're talking to a guy 53 00:02:57,500 --> 00:02:55,769 who knows it all too well mark booth is 54 00:02:59,120 --> 00:02:57,510 written about the subject extensively 55 00:03:01,190 --> 00:02:59,130 the bulk of which appears in his books 56 00:03:03,349 --> 00:03:01,200 the secret history of the world the 57 00:03:05,569 --> 00:03:03,359 sacred history of the world and his 58 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:05,579 latest effort the heretics handbook it's 59 00:03:09,830 --> 00:03:07,170 not on a pleasure mark oh man how the 60 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:09,840 hell are you I'm very well thank you 61 00:03:14,180 --> 00:03:12,450 very much for for having me on your show 62 00:03:14,449 --> 00:03:14,190 I'm really looking forward to talking to 63 00:03:19,789 --> 00:03:14,459 you 64 00:03:21,860 --> 00:03:19,799 this is a subject that I'm always 65 00:03:23,660 --> 00:03:21,870 interested in are there entities out 66 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:23,670 there how do they interact with us how 67 00:03:27,770 --> 00:03:25,290 involved are the elite and secret 68 00:03:29,539 --> 00:03:27,780 societies with these beans and you bring 69 00:03:31,490 --> 00:03:29,549 up a lot of interesting angles in your 70 00:03:34,309 --> 00:03:31,500 writing how did you get on this path 71 00:03:37,879 --> 00:03:34,319 that seems so out of the norm well I 72 00:03:40,699 --> 00:03:37,889 think what happened was that I'd had 73 00:03:44,479 --> 00:03:40,709 some some mystical experiences in 74 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:44,489 childhood and I was always interested in 75 00:03:49,970 --> 00:03:46,650 their stuff and so when I went to 76 00:03:52,370 --> 00:03:49,980 university I took a course in in 77 00:03:54,979 --> 00:03:52,380 philosophy and theology and what I found 78 00:03:59,600 --> 00:03:54,989 there was that the philosophy at uh Paul 79 00:04:02,240 --> 00:03:59,610 theology any any kind of religious 80 00:04:05,090 --> 00:04:02,250 belief I had was was eroded by by 81 00:04:07,870 --> 00:04:05,100 philosophy and philosophy as it was 82 00:04:11,690 --> 00:04:07,880 taught in Oxford at that time as a very 83 00:04:16,060 --> 00:04:11,700 analytical philosophy of logic was a big 84 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:16,070 thing my tutor called tongs and bonds 85 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:18,450 was often talked about as a cleverest 86 00:04:24,050 --> 00:04:21,650 man not and kind of looking back on that 87 00:04:27,650 --> 00:04:24,060 looking back on him I think he was a 88 00:04:32,620 --> 00:04:27,660 sort of outrider for the new atheism 89 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:32,630 that we we have today with people like 90 00:04:41,330 --> 00:04:38,570 Hitchens and Dawkins and so I came away 91 00:04:44,150 --> 00:04:41,340 not believing in anything very much and 92 00:04:47,540 --> 00:04:44,160 I found that rather rather depressing 93 00:04:51,410 --> 00:04:47,550 and and I drifted and I said one of the 94 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:51,420 things about doing a degree in 95 00:04:59,090 --> 00:04:53,970 philosophy and theology is that it makes 96 00:05:02,960 --> 00:04:59,100 you completely unemployable and so I 97 00:05:05,330 --> 00:05:02,970 spent many years drifting and being idle 98 00:05:07,010 --> 00:05:05,340 except I was reading reading all the 99 00:05:11,270 --> 00:05:07,020 time and I was kind of getting 100 00:05:15,350 --> 00:05:11,280 interested in in esoteric and mystical 101 00:05:18,950 --> 00:05:15,360 stuff and eventually I ended up working 102 00:05:21,290 --> 00:05:18,960 in a bookshop and then I have a very 103 00:05:23,180 --> 00:05:21,300 lucky break and got a job in in 104 00:05:26,860 --> 00:05:23,190 publishing nice I was supposed to be 105 00:05:29,930 --> 00:05:26,870 working on a kind of general commercial 106 00:05:32,090 --> 00:05:29,940 list fiction or nonfiction but every so 107 00:05:35,659 --> 00:05:32,100 often when my bosses were looking I used 108 00:05:38,510 --> 00:05:35,669 to to sneak in the old book on 109 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:38,520 alternative thinking or mysticism and 110 00:05:44,270 --> 00:05:42,090 then there was a period when those books 111 00:05:48,340 --> 00:05:44,280 started to do really well and they were 112 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:48,350 authors like Graham Hancock who were 113 00:05:53,310 --> 00:05:50,970 buzzing up and down the bestseller lists 114 00:05:54,510 --> 00:05:53,320 all the time 115 00:05:56,460 --> 00:05:54,520 in fact I think he's in America 116 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:56,470 promoting his new book now isn't it 117 00:06:00,000 --> 00:05:58,090 right I'm actually interviewing him 118 00:06:04,350 --> 00:06:00,010 tomorrow funny enough that you bring up 119 00:06:06,630 --> 00:06:04,360 okay we'll say hi and and so I began to 120 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:06,640 get a bit of a reputation in this area 121 00:06:14,850 --> 00:06:10,090 and then one day a man came to see me in 122 00:06:16,290 --> 00:06:14,860 my office who was was there was 123 00:06:19,530 --> 00:06:16,300 something different about you know I 124 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:19,540 couldn't quite put my finger on it he 125 00:06:26,580 --> 00:06:22,530 had a kind of strange aura about him and 126 00:06:30,870 --> 00:06:26,590 he had a business proposition for me 127 00:06:35,070 --> 00:06:30,880 which is that that I should republish 128 00:06:37,650 --> 00:06:35,080 some ancient alchemical texts and he 129 00:06:43,170 --> 00:06:37,660 would write a new introduction for them 130 00:06:47,090 --> 00:06:43,180 and we talked about this and I found him 131 00:06:49,410 --> 00:06:47,100 fascinating and we went out to lunch and 132 00:06:51,690 --> 00:06:49,420 this was the start of a very long 133 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:51,700 friendship and eventually I found out 134 00:06:59,610 --> 00:06:54,970 what was different about him which is 135 00:07:03,300 --> 00:06:59,620 that he was and initiate all of several 136 00:07:06,659 --> 00:07:03,310 secret societies hmm he he used to type 137 00:07:11,190 --> 00:07:06,669 me letters on on the typewriter that had 138 00:07:14,070 --> 00:07:11,200 belonged to who spent ski Wow and he'd 139 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:14,080 been quite he'd been quite high up in in 140 00:07:19,380 --> 00:07:17,050 the anthroposophical organization they 141 00:07:24,180 --> 00:07:19,390 he'd fall out with them and he was also 142 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:24,190 a 33rd degree freemason and I found that 143 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:30,370 I could ask him anything about secret 144 00:07:37,950 --> 00:07:35,050 societies and initiatic law and esoteric 145 00:07:42,990 --> 00:07:37,960 philosophy and all might always he would 146 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:43,000 tell me sometimes he would say well I'm 147 00:07:47,370 --> 00:07:44,890 afraid I'm not permitted to tell you 148 00:07:49,260 --> 00:07:47,380 that but usually he would and so you 149 00:07:53,220 --> 00:07:49,270 know this was amazing because it was 150 00:07:58,710 --> 00:07:53,230 yeah I had my own my I was like having 151 00:08:02,040 --> 00:07:58,720 your own your own Magus yeah I'm home to 152 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:02,050 answer your questions and I suppose what 153 00:08:04,170 --> 00:08:03,610 did one of the things that interested me 154 00:08:07,020 --> 00:08:04,180 about 155 00:08:10,950 --> 00:08:07,030 esoteric thought was was the idea that 156 00:08:14,070 --> 00:08:10,960 that at their core all the world 157 00:08:16,590 --> 00:08:14,080 religions have the same teachings in 158 00:08:19,770 --> 00:08:16,600 common right Lee's secret esoteric 159 00:08:23,570 --> 00:08:19,780 teachings and and talking to this man 160 00:08:27,930 --> 00:08:23,580 helped me to shape all that material and 161 00:08:30,650 --> 00:08:27,940 to a lot of easier talk writing I'm sure 162 00:08:33,930 --> 00:08:30,660 you know he's deliberately obscure so I 163 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:33,940 really help to have someone I could I 164 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:36,130 could just ask point-blank and say you 165 00:08:44,490 --> 00:08:37,930 know what the hell does this mean 166 00:08:47,550 --> 00:08:44,500 and eventually he said to me well I I 167 00:08:50,430 --> 00:08:47,560 think you're ready now and I thought I 168 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:50,440 knew why he meant but just make sure I 169 00:08:57,900 --> 00:08:52,810 said but ready for what and he said for 170 00:09:00,260 --> 00:08:57,910 initiation well and and I kind of I 171 00:09:05,610 --> 00:09:00,270 thought about that for a long time and I 172 00:09:09,450 --> 00:09:05,620 began eyes about it and at something and 173 00:09:12,090 --> 00:09:09,460 somewhat to my surprise I found myself I 174 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:12,100 heard myself saying no and I suppose 175 00:09:20,550 --> 00:09:13,930 there are several reasons for that one 176 00:09:24,690 --> 00:09:20,560 was was just fear because I'd learn by 177 00:09:29,370 --> 00:09:24,700 then that initiation into the secret 178 00:09:33,660 --> 00:09:29,380 societies often involves being very near 179 00:09:37,350 --> 00:09:33,670 death you probably think that you are 180 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:37,360 going to die Kalio Stroh's initiation 181 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:40,330 above a pub in London involved him 182 00:09:48,180 --> 00:09:44,290 having a noose tied around his neck 183 00:09:52,020 --> 00:09:48,190 which was slung over a beam on the 184 00:09:53,730 --> 00:09:52,030 ceiling and he was stood on the chair on 185 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:53,740 the chair was kicked away he thought he 186 00:09:59,220 --> 00:09:56,770 was going to die at that moment and I 187 00:10:03,080 --> 00:09:59,230 think that that initiation often 188 00:10:06,330 --> 00:10:03,090 involves your your soul and your spirit 189 00:10:09,540 --> 00:10:06,340 emerging partially from your body mm-hmm 190 00:10:13,890 --> 00:10:09,550 so that initiatives on this and I'm 191 00:10:18,220 --> 00:10:13,900 milled on it so I decided to forego that 192 00:10:20,860 --> 00:10:18,230 partly as a fear but also because I I 193 00:10:24,490 --> 00:10:20,870 thought well I knew that if I agreed to 194 00:10:28,810 --> 00:10:24,500 initiation I would have to swear an oath 195 00:10:33,700 --> 00:10:28,820 of secrecy and and I would never be able 196 00:10:37,150 --> 00:10:33,710 to talk about things that I'd learned 197 00:10:41,290 --> 00:10:37,160 and discovered and then eventually I did 198 00:10:42,730 --> 00:10:41,300 I did I did write a book about that 199 00:10:46,090 --> 00:10:42,740 which was my first book with secret 200 00:10:51,610 --> 00:10:46,100 history of the world and and and in that 201 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:51,620 book I I didn't try to to prove any of 202 00:10:59,560 --> 00:10:56,210 it I just wanted to drag all the secret 203 00:11:02,520 --> 00:10:59,570 teaching out into the open and to put it 204 00:11:06,370 --> 00:11:02,530 in in a coherent and readable form and 205 00:11:09,490 --> 00:11:06,380 and the form I chose was to do it as a 206 00:11:11,980 --> 00:11:09,500 history a history of the world as it is 207 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:11,990 understood and the secret societies and 208 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:13,730 it was the first it's the first time 209 00:11:19,810 --> 00:11:16,810 it's the only time that that's been done 210 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:19,820 as far as I know there are lots of there 211 00:11:23,890 --> 00:11:21,170 are lots of histories of esoteric 212 00:11:25,510 --> 00:11:23,900 thought but there are no it's just of 213 00:11:30,190 --> 00:11:25,520 the wealth from needs etheric point of 214 00:11:33,910 --> 00:11:30,200 view and say and that came out and it 215 00:11:36,100 --> 00:11:33,920 got a very mixed reaction some people 216 00:11:40,390 --> 00:11:36,110 absolutely hated it there was a Catholic 217 00:11:42,580 --> 00:11:40,400 journalist who said in his review in May 218 00:11:45,010 --> 00:11:42,590 in the and The Daily Telegraph which is 219 00:11:47,170 --> 00:11:45,020 a big circulation newspaper here that 220 00:11:51,100 --> 00:11:47,180 listen he said this is the worst book I 221 00:11:52,780 --> 00:11:51,110 have ever been asked to review and it's 222 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:52,790 gotta be a badge of honor in some some 223 00:12:02,710 --> 00:11:56,450 yes yes exactly and I think that and he 224 00:12:05,110 --> 00:12:02,720 he was outraged because I he he he's the 225 00:12:09,460 --> 00:12:05,120 Catholic and he was outraged that I'd 226 00:12:13,230 --> 00:12:09,470 said that pope john paul ii or the young 227 00:12:19,260 --> 00:12:13,240 man who's to become pope john paul ii 228 00:12:21,940 --> 00:12:19,270 had as a young man being part of a 229 00:12:25,450 --> 00:12:21,950 Rosicrucian group 230 00:12:28,810 --> 00:12:25,460 and taken part in Rosicrucian spiritual 231 00:12:31,870 --> 00:12:28,820 exercises and that it was as a result of 232 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:31,880 these that he had his first musical 233 00:12:35,830 --> 00:12:33,650 experience and that's what set him on 234 00:12:37,510 --> 00:12:35,840 the path that would lead him to the 235 00:12:39,700 --> 00:12:37,520 Vatican yeah I thought that was a 236 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:39,710 fascinating bit of information because 237 00:12:44,350 --> 00:12:42,170 typically I think of someone who becomes 238 00:12:46,060 --> 00:12:44,360 the Pope to be groomed from an early 239 00:12:49,450 --> 00:12:46,070 early age just like someone who becomes 240 00:12:51,100 --> 00:12:49,460 president but apparently he was 21 241 00:12:53,650 --> 00:12:51,110 before he got introduced to any of this 242 00:12:55,330 --> 00:12:53,660 kind of stuff right yes yes I mean I 243 00:12:58,150 --> 00:12:55,340 think he was he was coming away from 244 00:12:59,560 --> 00:12:58,160 from one of the meetings and he was he 245 00:13:01,930 --> 00:12:59,570 was thinking about it 246 00:13:04,180 --> 00:13:01,940 he wasn't looking where he was going and 247 00:13:06,670 --> 00:13:04,190 he was run down by a truck and it was 248 00:13:09,130 --> 00:13:06,680 car while he was an adult and an altered 249 00:13:11,620 --> 00:13:09,140 state that he first experienced the 250 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:11,630 spiritual realms and this you know this 251 00:13:14,980 --> 00:13:13,130 Catholic journalist was absolutely 252 00:13:18,100 --> 00:13:14,990 outraged but there is absolutely no 253 00:13:23,220 --> 00:13:18,110 doubt that it is true this man's first 254 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:23,230 book was written with an introduction by 255 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:27,410 a leading Rosicrucian scholar and 256 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:29,930 practitioner it is it is absolutely true 257 00:13:39,330 --> 00:13:34,010 but so some people were raised by this 258 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:39,340 book but but I think a lot of people 259 00:13:46,630 --> 00:13:43,850 read it and it resonates with them 260 00:13:49,750 --> 00:13:46,640 mm-hmm they they kind of recognize it 261 00:13:53,950 --> 00:13:49,760 and they think yes this this is this is 262 00:13:57,870 --> 00:13:53,960 the world as I experience it and you 263 00:14:00,370 --> 00:13:57,880 know Plato said something about how all 264 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:00,380 acquiring of knowledge is a form of 265 00:14:07,540 --> 00:14:03,530 remembering and I suspect that we all 266 00:14:10,050 --> 00:14:07,550 have something like the secret history 267 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:10,060 of the world inside of somewhere and 268 00:14:15,820 --> 00:14:13,730 that's why that's why when people read 269 00:14:21,220 --> 00:14:15,830 it they have a kind of sensation of 270 00:14:22,750 --> 00:14:21,230 pennies dropping and a and it's I think 271 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:22,760 it's probably so half a million copies 272 00:14:27,130 --> 00:14:25,010 in English now and it's it's it's 273 00:14:29,860 --> 00:14:27,140 translated all around the world and it's 274 00:14:33,590 --> 00:14:29,870 never please never had a huge marketing 275 00:14:36,199 --> 00:14:33,600 campaign or anything it's just it's just 276 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:36,209 it just sounds through recomendation you 277 00:14:41,569 --> 00:14:38,250 know and people people read it and they 278 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:41,579 recognize it it's a book unlike any 279 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:44,850 other I think and they they currently 280 00:14:49,699 --> 00:14:47,490 pass it on to kindred spirits and that's 281 00:14:51,650 --> 00:14:49,709 and that's really nice 282 00:14:53,090 --> 00:14:51,660 yeah it's funny you say that because the 283 00:14:55,699 --> 00:14:53,100 reason why we're talking here is because 284 00:14:57,620 --> 00:14:55,709 I found your book in my friend's trunk 285 00:14:58,819 --> 00:14:57,630 when I went to visit him in Denver and I 286 00:15:00,199 --> 00:14:58,829 was like what's this he's like oh yeah 287 00:15:01,910 --> 00:15:00,209 you should really check this out and 288 00:15:03,139 --> 00:15:01,920 this guy would make a great guest for 289 00:15:06,079 --> 00:15:03,149 the show he talks about all the things 290 00:15:08,569 --> 00:15:06,089 that you guys tend to discuss and yeah I 291 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:08,579 mean it fits right in I think it's 292 00:15:13,189 --> 00:15:10,290 excellent and I found it really 293 00:15:15,499 --> 00:15:13,199 insightful and also I wanted to ask you 294 00:15:17,180 --> 00:15:15,509 about this this Lorna Byrne character I 295 00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:17,190 was unfamiliar with her until your 296 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:18,569 writing but apparently she does some 297 00:15:24,710 --> 00:15:21,930 pretty amazing things right mm-hmm well 298 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:24,720 yes I met her I just mentioned her I 299 00:15:30,530 --> 00:15:26,730 think your one paragraph in the secret 300 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:30,540 history as well because I met just as I 301 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:32,490 was finishing the secret history of the 302 00:15:38,059 --> 00:15:35,370 world and I got this message that this 303 00:15:40,730 --> 00:15:38,069 woman wanted to meet me I still work in 304 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:40,740 publishing by the way I'm I'm I'm still 305 00:15:46,970 --> 00:15:44,970 Graham Hancock's publisher and I so I 306 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:46,980 got this message that this woman from 307 00:15:56,290 --> 00:15:51,690 rural Ireland wanted to meet me and the 308 00:16:00,379 --> 00:15:56,300 message was that the angels had told her 309 00:16:02,569 --> 00:16:00,389 that she needed to meet me and I found 310 00:16:05,449 --> 00:16:02,579 out later that she'd had a friend read 311 00:16:09,259 --> 00:16:05,459 out names from a directory of people 312 00:16:10,610 --> 00:16:09,269 working in London publishing and then 313 00:16:13,660 --> 00:16:10,620 when there when the friend rent out my 314 00:16:16,579 --> 00:16:13,670 name angel said yeah that's the well so 315 00:16:18,230 --> 00:16:16,589 I didn't I really didn't want it I 316 00:16:20,329 --> 00:16:18,240 really didn't want to beat her I had I 317 00:16:26,319 --> 00:16:20,339 thought I had far too much work going on 318 00:16:30,740 --> 00:16:26,329 but I agreed to to meet briefly and 319 00:16:33,550 --> 00:16:30,750 again when I met her I just I could just 320 00:16:36,019 --> 00:16:33,560 sense there was something really 321 00:16:37,879 --> 00:16:36,029 different about I was that she looked 322 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:37,889 like a country mouse it was the first 323 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:41,370 time she'd been out of Ireland I think 324 00:16:44,139 --> 00:16:43,050 it was the first time she'd been in a 325 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:44,149 big city 326 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:47,170 she'd never read a book in her 327 00:16:57,410 --> 00:16:53,290 but she she knew and knows so much and I 328 00:17:01,080 --> 00:16:57,420 think she has a completely different 329 00:17:03,450 --> 00:17:01,090 mode of consciousness to the rest of us 330 00:17:05,189 --> 00:17:03,460 you know you get to you I think 331 00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:05,199 especially in America you get lots of 332 00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:07,360 Angel botherers you get lots of leaders 333 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:11,040 who write books about seeing angels and 334 00:17:20,310 --> 00:17:15,970 I think which may well be true but Lorna 335 00:17:25,050 --> 00:17:20,320 doesn't have to strain to see angels 336 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:25,060 occasionally she doesn't have to use her 337 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:29,890 imagination she sees angels and all the 338 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:32,770 denizens of the spirits world all the 339 00:17:38,460 --> 00:17:33,010 time 340 00:17:42,570 --> 00:17:38,470 Wow if she was sitting with you now she 341 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:42,580 would be able to tell you what your 342 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:47,910 guardian angel looked like and any other 343 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:50,770 spiritual beings unembodied a telling 344 00:17:59,090 --> 00:17:54,490 intelligence in your vicinity so she 345 00:18:03,090 --> 00:17:59,100 sees guardian angels angels Archangels 346 00:18:05,940 --> 00:18:03,100 and all the different hierarchies of 347 00:18:13,620 --> 00:18:05,950 angels as they are described in esoteric 348 00:18:17,550 --> 00:18:13,630 tradition and she was as delighted as I 349 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:17,560 was by our meeting because it was 350 00:18:25,650 --> 00:18:21,010 fantastic for her to hear that other 351 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:25,660 people throughout history had seen and 352 00:18:31,890 --> 00:18:29,050 talked to the same beings now in in 353 00:18:36,470 --> 00:18:31,900 esoteric tradition for example some 354 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:36,480 Michael the Archangel Sam Michael is the 355 00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:40,690 Archangel of the Sun now Lorna without 356 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:43,600 having read any of this stuff always 357 00:18:48,870 --> 00:18:45,970 sees and Michael who she meets quite 358 00:18:52,740 --> 00:18:48,880 regularly as the Archangel of the Sun 359 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:52,750 and she sees Gabriel as the Archangel of 360 00:18:58,980 --> 00:18:56,410 the moon so for her for both of us it 361 00:18:59,670 --> 00:18:58,990 was a sort of coming home and for me it 362 00:19:09,090 --> 00:18:59,680 was 363 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:09,100 personal experience of all the things I 364 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:15,370 was writing about and she also sees the 365 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:20,170 dark side we each of us have a guardian 366 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:24,370 angel and I asked her about the the 367 00:19:32,550 --> 00:19:29,050 medieval tradition that we have we have 368 00:19:35,070 --> 00:19:32,560 a we have an angel of light um on one 369 00:19:39,930 --> 00:19:35,080 shoulder in the dark angel on the other 370 00:19:43,470 --> 00:19:39,940 he says it's not quite like that our 371 00:19:46,650 --> 00:19:43,480 guardian angel he's with us all the time 372 00:19:49,290 --> 00:19:46,660 it's with us from before birth and it 373 00:19:53,460 --> 00:19:49,300 stays us stays with us for a time after 374 00:19:58,790 --> 00:19:53,470 birth it is very close to us at all 375 00:20:02,580 --> 00:19:58,800 times the other entity which she says 376 00:20:05,850 --> 00:20:02,590 doesn't deserve the name of angel is is 377 00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:05,860 always lurking nearby and it's looking 378 00:20:11,670 --> 00:20:07,840 but it's looking for for any year any 379 00:20:15,030 --> 00:20:11,680 opportunity to get close hmm she's also 380 00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:15,040 seen pulled a guy she's seen a 381 00:20:22,170 --> 00:20:18,960 poltergeist and she's seen the devil and 382 00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:22,180 she's always quite reluctant to talk 383 00:20:31,310 --> 00:20:25,360 about the dark side because she realizes 384 00:20:36,990 --> 00:20:31,320 it it has I am it has a fascination and 385 00:20:40,380 --> 00:20:37,000 I think the problem is that if we dwell 386 00:20:43,530 --> 00:20:40,390 on the dark side too much the title of 387 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:43,540 the movie is right we let them in yeah 388 00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:46,090 what great resources for you to have 389 00:20:50,820 --> 00:20:48,880 this initiate a Leone who can feed you 390 00:20:52,830 --> 00:20:50,830 this kind of information and then to 391 00:20:55,290 --> 00:20:52,840 meet someone like her and the flesh who 392 00:20:57,900 --> 00:20:55,300 kind of takes it off the page into real 393 00:21:00,180 --> 00:20:57,910 world experience I mean that's that's 394 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:00,190 pretty awesome that's I yeah I've been 395 00:21:04,050 --> 00:21:01,450 I've been wonderfully wonderfully 396 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:04,060 blessed I think particularly in my my 397 00:21:07,890 --> 00:21:06,370 friendship with Lorna and as I say her 398 00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:07,900 consciousness works on many different 399 00:21:12,499 --> 00:21:10,080 levels and 400 00:21:16,190 --> 00:21:12,509 if there's going to be an environmental 401 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:16,200 catastrophe there's a particular giant 402 00:21:24,350 --> 00:21:20,730 angel which appears to her and if there 403 00:21:26,810 --> 00:21:24,360 is a tsunami wave or a volcano erupting 404 00:21:31,220 --> 00:21:26,820 on the other side of the world she she 405 00:21:35,389 --> 00:21:31,230 knows about that man and she sees it as 406 00:21:38,180 --> 00:21:35,399 as part of her role to to help absorb 407 00:21:41,090 --> 00:21:38,190 the pain of people who are who are 408 00:21:46,129 --> 00:21:41,100 suffering in in circumstances like that 409 00:21:49,369 --> 00:21:46,139 Wow so she really is she's she's on the 410 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:49,379 one hand she's very different but on the 411 00:21:56,419 --> 00:21:54,210 other hand in my writings in the sacred 412 00:22:00,529 --> 00:21:56,429 history in the book I'm working on now I 413 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:00,539 want to try to suggest to people and to 414 00:22:08,090 --> 00:22:03,330 show them that that their consciousness 415 00:22:10,820 --> 00:22:08,100 is perhaps a little more like long as 416 00:22:13,629 --> 00:22:10,830 than perhaps they realize are that and 417 00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:13,639 that's certainly been the result of 418 00:22:19,009 --> 00:22:16,320 that's what I've concluded about my own 419 00:22:21,739 --> 00:22:19,019 consciousness having been friends with 420 00:22:23,239 --> 00:22:21,749 her for a few years yeah man that is so 421 00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:23,249 interesting I wish I had someone like 422 00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:25,710 that in my life but in secret history of 423 00:22:30,739 --> 00:22:28,080 the world you go into such great detail 424 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:30,749 into the whole Universal creation story 425 00:22:34,489 --> 00:22:32,730 from the east so Taric view these these 426 00:22:36,289 --> 00:22:34,499 stories that the secret societies have 427 00:22:38,029 --> 00:22:36,299 passed down from the ancient times and 428 00:22:39,889 --> 00:22:38,039 it is fascinating but there's one 429 00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:39,899 portion I found particularly interesting 430 00:22:44,659 --> 00:22:42,480 I wanted to read you say that according 431 00:22:46,249 --> 00:22:44,669 to them 13,000 years ago there was a 432 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:46,259 change that made it hard for the higher 433 00:22:49,700 --> 00:22:48,090 gods to descend further than the moon 434 00:22:51,619 --> 00:22:49,710 without the presence of the greater 435 00:22:53,419 --> 00:22:51,629 God's to keep them down the crab-like 436 00:22:54,889 --> 00:22:53,429 progeny of Saturn that had been 437 00:22:56,539 --> 00:22:54,899 imprisoned in the underground caves 438 00:22:58,669 --> 00:22:56,549 began to creep up into the daylight 439 00:23:01,279 --> 00:22:58,679 again infesting the surface of the earth 440 00:23:02,779 --> 00:23:01,289 and preying on humankind and I like this 441 00:23:05,090 --> 00:23:02,789 because we've had a lot of guests who 442 00:23:06,830 --> 00:23:05,100 talked about archons or an invading 443 00:23:09,499 --> 00:23:06,840 spider-like race which is very close to 444 00:23:11,180 --> 00:23:09,509 crab-like but also you mentioned Graham 445 00:23:12,830 --> 00:23:11,190 a few times if you're familiar with this 446 00:23:15,049 --> 00:23:12,840 new book and the work of Randall Carlson 447 00:23:16,820 --> 00:23:15,059 it's all about this meteor impact that 448 00:23:19,639 --> 00:23:16,830 geologists are flushing out now that 449 00:23:21,499 --> 00:23:19,649 they say happened around 12,000 800 450 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:21,509 years ago I mean that's pretty spot-on 451 00:23:26,009 --> 00:23:23,450 in that 13,000 452 00:23:29,529 --> 00:23:26,019 window it seems like a pretty important 453 00:23:31,659 --> 00:23:29,539 sliver of time for our history yes 454 00:23:33,850 --> 00:23:31,669 absolutely and I'm very familiar with 455 00:23:36,159 --> 00:23:33,860 Graham's new book I edited and published 456 00:23:39,639 --> 00:23:36,169 at it and and I think it's wonderful to 457 00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:39,649 have the confirmation he brings forward 458 00:23:45,730 --> 00:23:43,279 in his book of of the Atlantis myth I 459 00:23:51,730 --> 00:23:45,740 mean that really is a smoking gun the 460 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:51,740 fact that scientists now accept that the 461 00:23:59,500 --> 00:23:55,970 impact of a heavenly body caused floods 462 00:24:01,690 --> 00:23:59,510 as exactly the time but the plato was 463 00:24:06,100 --> 00:24:01,700 writing that Plato said it happened 464 00:24:07,870 --> 00:24:06,110 mm-hmm yeah I love to see some type of 465 00:24:09,730 --> 00:24:07,880 you know I guess you could consider 466 00:24:11,769 --> 00:24:09,740 their creation story and mythology I 467 00:24:14,860 --> 00:24:11,779 love when I see something that sounds so 468 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:14,870 weird in a story form backed up by 469 00:24:19,090 --> 00:24:17,690 actual evidence in the real world and 470 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:19,100 that this seems to be one of those areas 471 00:24:23,980 --> 00:24:21,610 it's pretty interesting but yeah also 472 00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:23,990 your latest work with the heretics 473 00:24:29,049 --> 00:24:26,510 handbook it seems to be about taking 474 00:24:31,330 --> 00:24:29,059 this esoteric view the secret society 475 00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:31,340 elite guarded view and extrapolating if 476 00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:33,950 this is more the true world view how 477 00:24:36,970 --> 00:24:35,510 should we live our lives and it's a 478 00:24:39,610 --> 00:24:36,980 great question I guess what are some of 479 00:24:40,930 --> 00:24:39,620 the changes you think are most important 480 00:24:43,330 --> 00:24:40,940 for people to make in their lives once 481 00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:43,340 they adopt this view I mean how does it 482 00:24:52,690 --> 00:24:45,769 affect your life well I think I think 483 00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:52,700 first of all we have to try to work 484 00:24:58,180 --> 00:24:55,370 ourselves into an appreciation of the 485 00:25:02,590 --> 00:24:58,190 fact that we live in a supernatural 486 00:25:07,870 --> 00:25:02,600 universe I believe that we all 487 00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:07,880 experience the supernatural things which 488 00:25:17,409 --> 00:25:14,080 wouldn't be happening to us if modern 489 00:25:20,500 --> 00:25:17,419 materialistic science explained 490 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:20,510 everything there is we experience these 491 00:25:29,710 --> 00:25:23,210 things but we're conditioned to scream 492 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:29,720 them out and so part of my aim in in the 493 00:25:35,620 --> 00:25:32,210 in the in in the heretics handbook 494 00:25:38,590 --> 00:25:35,630 which which isn't which isn't published 495 00:25:42,190 --> 00:25:38,600 yet it's I will miss to be a very short 496 00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:42,200 book Alan and I'm hoping it will be my 497 00:25:53,710 --> 00:25:51,560 last is I'm try one to try to to hold a 498 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:53,720 mirror up to people's personal 499 00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:56,810 experience and Aunty and to get them to 500 00:26:05,530 --> 00:25:59,840 recognize the supernatural things that 501 00:26:08,590 --> 00:26:05,540 that happened to them so to to give some 502 00:26:12,850 --> 00:26:08,600 examples of these sort of things I think 503 00:26:15,730 --> 00:26:12,860 that well coincidence is now they can 504 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:15,740 often seem a trivial can't they you're 505 00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:17,570 driving along the road in the short 506 00:26:22,270 --> 00:26:18,320 space of time 507 00:26:26,290 --> 00:26:22,280 you see three silver shadow Rolls Royces 508 00:26:28,540 --> 00:26:26,300 go by right and the likely explanation 509 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:28,550 is that you're driving in the vicinity 510 00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:34,370 of a vintage car mm-hmm but maybe you're 511 00:26:39,850 --> 00:26:37,360 driving along for you feeling lonely and 512 00:26:42,670 --> 00:26:39,860 despairing that you're rather going to 513 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:42,680 have a long lasting relationship and the 514 00:26:48,370 --> 00:26:45,290 song comes on the radio that reminds you 515 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:48,380 of someone you met in a bar with a group 516 00:26:53,650 --> 00:26:51,050 of friends a few months earlier and this 517 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:53,660 song came on the jukebox then your eyes 518 00:27:00,490 --> 00:26:56,930 met there was a connection but you never 519 00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:00,500 followed it up that you do now because 520 00:27:06,820 --> 00:27:03,710 the cosmos is prompting you to do so 521 00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:06,830 mmm-hmm I think the I think because the 522 00:27:12,970 --> 00:27:10,240 cosmos does give us these these prompts 523 00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:12,980 Carl Gustav Jung gave the example of 524 00:27:18,940 --> 00:27:15,520 treating a patient who suffered from 525 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:18,950 from living in the straitjacket of an 526 00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:21,850 overly rational cynical worldview and 527 00:27:29,260 --> 00:27:26,000 she had a dream about a beautiful golden 528 00:27:32,770 --> 00:27:29,270 scarab beetle but she was refusing to 529 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:32,780 consider Jung's explanations as its as 530 00:27:37,660 --> 00:27:35,090 to its mystical meaning and just there 531 00:27:41,470 --> 00:27:37,670 as they were talking young her the 532 00:27:45,690 --> 00:27:41,480 gentle tapping on the window and it was 533 00:27:48,330 --> 00:27:45,700 a golden beetle very like a scarab beef 534 00:27:50,730 --> 00:27:48,340 and Jung was able to open the window cut 535 00:27:53,970 --> 00:27:50,740 the beetle in his hand and offer to 536 00:27:58,380 --> 00:27:53,980 offer it to her saying here's your 537 00:28:00,120 --> 00:27:58,390 scarab Wow and I think that I think I 538 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:00,130 think these things have these things 539 00:28:06,660 --> 00:28:02,410 happen to us I think the universe 540 00:28:10,170 --> 00:28:06,670 prompts us it gives us a choice and the 541 00:28:12,780 --> 00:28:10,180 weird thing is that if we don't face up 542 00:28:16,050 --> 00:28:12,790 to that choice if we refuse to make a 543 00:28:18,570 --> 00:28:16,060 choice it will come round to meet us in 544 00:28:21,650 --> 00:28:18,580 another form mm-hmm and it will keep 545 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:21,660 coming around until we recognize it 546 00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:26,290 another way we experience the 547 00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:30,880 supernatural is in is in dreams and in 548 00:28:39,090 --> 00:28:36,310 the East Tara 12 you the material bodies 549 00:28:42,450 --> 00:28:39,100 that we inhabit are designed to cut 550 00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:42,460 earth off from the world of spirits gods 551 00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:46,480 and angels matter is a sort of barrier 552 00:28:51,210 --> 00:28:48,820 to it to spirit that's what it for 553 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:51,220 though that's what meta means in 554 00:29:01,740 --> 00:28:54,930 esoteric philosophy but Lorna Byrne has 555 00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:01,750 observed that in in sleep the soul and 556 00:29:08,100 --> 00:29:05,710 spirit rise partially out of the 557 00:29:12,290 --> 00:29:08,110 physical body and sort of rest rest they 558 00:29:14,850 --> 00:29:12,300 rest on top of it it doesn't ordinarily 559 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:14,860 float free of the body and up to the 560 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:20,370 ceiling as his assistant I'm supposed 561 00:29:30,180 --> 00:29:25,210 but because it is partially out of the 562 00:29:34,050 --> 00:29:30,190 body angels and spirits have an 563 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:34,060 opportunity to communicate with us more 564 00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:38,890 easily and that is why I although 565 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:41,200 dreams are for the most part pretty 566 00:29:45,710 --> 00:29:43,090 jumbled up and hard to understand 567 00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:45,720 sometimes we have dreams that are 568 00:29:52,780 --> 00:29:49,230 completely different without cogent 569 00:29:58,780 --> 00:29:52,790 compelling and completely real 570 00:30:02,260 --> 00:29:58,790 yeah and if we are receptive we may see 571 00:30:05,230 --> 00:30:02,270 that someone or something maybe a 572 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:05,240 departed loved one or an angel maybe 573 00:30:11,970 --> 00:30:07,610 even the cosmos itself is trying to tell 574 00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:11,980 us something important you know I my 575 00:30:19,690 --> 00:30:17,600 experiences that if I am attentive when 576 00:30:22,570 --> 00:30:19,700 I wake up in the morning if I then have 577 00:30:29,230 --> 00:30:22,580 to scramble around and rush to work if I 578 00:30:32,650 --> 00:30:29,240 have a few moments to reflect I I I know 579 00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:32,660 what I have to do when I wake up and I 580 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:34,910 think that is because the spiritual 581 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:38,210 realms have been talking to us in our 582 00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:42,050 sleep hmm I love that idea and I love 583 00:30:47,650 --> 00:30:45,200 the philosophy of following the prompts 584 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:47,660 that come up in synchronicities and just 585 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:49,970 little coincidences throughout our lives 586 00:30:54,370 --> 00:30:52,610 but especially in the Western world I 587 00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:54,380 feel like our lives are so controlled 588 00:30:58,660 --> 00:30:57,200 and so busy like you mentioned having to 589 00:31:00,250 --> 00:30:58,670 get up and rush to work I mean we're 590 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:00,260 there 9:00 to 5:00 and then we're there 591 00:31:05,910 --> 00:31:02,210 for five of the seven days out of the 592 00:31:08,050 --> 00:31:05,920 week it's very hard to really follow 593 00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:08,060 coincidence and follow these little 594 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:10,310 prompts when so much of our life is 595 00:31:14,650 --> 00:31:12,770 controlled and down to the same daily 596 00:31:16,690 --> 00:31:14,660 routine there's really not a lot of 597 00:31:19,270 --> 00:31:16,700 wiggle room for for following a 598 00:31:21,340 --> 00:31:19,280 coincidence to its end and I I mean 599 00:31:24,010 --> 00:31:21,350 that's an unfortunate circumstance of 600 00:31:25,930 --> 00:31:24,020 our modern society but mmm do you think 601 00:31:27,610 --> 00:31:25,940 that is for a reason do you think that 602 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:27,620 perhaps the reason why we're in such a 603 00:31:31,630 --> 00:31:29,690 situation is because it does kind of 604 00:31:33,820 --> 00:31:31,640 distract us from this spiritual 605 00:31:37,060 --> 00:31:33,830 influence you're absolutely right is a 606 00:31:40,030 --> 00:31:37,070 very Western thing and I think when you 607 00:31:46,690 --> 00:31:40,040 when you move into into long as orbits 608 00:31:50,610 --> 00:31:46,700 you start to experience a world drenched 609 00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:50,620 in mysticism and you experience 610 00:31:57,130 --> 00:31:53,440 supernatural things happening and 611 00:32:00,600 --> 00:31:57,140 whereas we in the West will read a book 612 00:32:03,230 --> 00:32:00,610 like the autobiography of a yogi' and 613 00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:03,240 accepts these phenomena in 614 00:32:09,140 --> 00:32:06,059 that in that oriental eastern context 615 00:32:11,299 --> 00:32:09,150 right we don't know how to classify here 616 00:32:13,850 --> 00:32:11,309 on the West do we we account we are a 617 00:32:15,470 --> 00:32:13,860 bit bit embarrassed by we don't know we 618 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:15,480 don't we don't we don't know what to do 619 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:18,330 with it and I think that that that is 620 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:22,730 that is one of the reasons why esoteric 621 00:32:33,380 --> 00:32:27,450 secret societies started to make their 622 00:32:37,610 --> 00:32:33,390 their secret knowledge public in the in 623 00:32:41,299 --> 00:32:37,620 the late 19th early early 20th century 624 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:41,309 with people like Madame Blavatsky and 625 00:32:51,049 --> 00:32:46,530 rudolf steiner and ger jeff and a large 626 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:51,059 part of what they did was to bring to 627 00:32:56,810 --> 00:32:54,290 the public's attention eastern mysticism 628 00:33:01,520 --> 00:32:56,820 particularly hindu and buddhist 629 00:33:05,570 --> 00:33:01,530 mysticism and i think a lot of the time 630 00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:05,580 it was only when holding that up as a 631 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:08,880 mirror to christianity that people began 632 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:11,970 to appreciate the christianity had a 633 00:33:19,850 --> 00:33:16,650 mystical side in it hmm and another 634 00:33:22,970 --> 00:33:19,860 aspect of that is that is that some 635 00:33:27,260 --> 00:33:22,980 members of the secret societies the the 636 00:33:30,110 --> 00:33:27,270 the more conservative side particularly 637 00:33:34,460 --> 00:33:30,120 within Freemasonry because I think often 638 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:34,470 till that time up until people like that 639 00:33:41,390 --> 00:33:38,130 ski and Anne Steinem Gurdjieff founded 640 00:33:42,290 --> 00:33:41,400 their own more open societies for a long 641 00:33:45,290 --> 00:33:42,300 time 642 00:33:49,010 --> 00:33:45,300 Freemasonry and its offshoots had been 643 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:49,020 the place where these a secret streams 644 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:52,170 have been had been nurtured and there 645 00:33:55,910 --> 00:33:53,970 were some elements which which hated 646 00:33:59,690 --> 00:33:55,920 what Blavatsky and the others were doing 647 00:34:01,730 --> 00:33:59,700 and and and Blavatsky was put into what 648 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:01,740 was what was called occult and 649 00:34:10,930 --> 00:34:06,690 imprisonment which meant that a spell 650 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:10,940 was cast over using ceremonial magic 651 00:34:18,009 --> 00:34:15,690 which stopped her having 652 00:34:20,659 --> 00:34:18,019 the contact with the spiritual world 653 00:34:24,619 --> 00:34:20,669 worlds that sheet has up until that 654 00:34:26,329 --> 00:34:24,629 point wow man that is pretty wild but I 655 00:34:28,999 --> 00:34:26,339 guess if you upset the occult world 656 00:34:31,369 --> 00:34:29,009 expect a little magical blowback you 657 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:31,379 know stories of magic working are always 658 00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:33,210 great to hear especially semi 659 00:34:38,839 --> 00:34:36,089 high-profile ones but when it does come 660 00:34:40,549 --> 00:34:38,849 to entity contact you talk about it a 661 00:34:42,859 --> 00:34:40,559 lot in your writing but there's a pretty 662 00:34:45,529 --> 00:34:42,869 well-established pattern of powerful 663 00:34:48,919 --> 00:34:45,539 historical figures having contact with 664 00:34:51,499 --> 00:34:48,929 something otherworldly from Napoleon to 665 00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:51,509 Hitler to Constantine and when you just 666 00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:53,250 study that you really can start to 667 00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:55,679 understand how unseen entities can 668 00:34:59,749 --> 00:34:57,599 greatly affect the world just by 669 00:35:02,509 --> 00:34:59,759 whispering in the ear or inspiring 670 00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:02,519 certain key people just the right person 671 00:35:05,420 --> 00:35:03,720 at the right time and it really doesn't 672 00:35:08,809 --> 00:35:05,430 take a whole lot to have a big impact 673 00:35:11,329 --> 00:35:08,819 does it I think I think that it's a 674 00:35:14,660 --> 00:35:11,339 phenomenon you you see again and again 675 00:35:17,660 --> 00:35:14,670 in history that you'll you'll have if we 676 00:35:21,339 --> 00:35:17,670 take the example of somebody like Joan 677 00:35:27,289 --> 00:35:21,349 of Arc who was conscious of being 678 00:35:33,710 --> 00:35:27,299 directed by by angels and she was given 679 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:33,720 a divine mission to throw the perfidious 680 00:35:41,089 --> 00:35:37,650 English people out of France and to have 681 00:35:45,849 --> 00:35:41,099 the new French King crowned at Reims 682 00:35:50,839 --> 00:35:45,859 and there was a period of several years 683 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:50,849 when this young girl leading a little 684 00:35:59,749 --> 00:35:56,690 ragged band of French soldiers 685 00:36:04,059 --> 00:35:59,759 completely trounced the massively 686 00:36:08,779 --> 00:36:04,069 superior English armies and nothing 687 00:36:12,589 --> 00:36:08,789 nobody could stand against her and she 688 00:36:14,900 --> 00:36:12,599 completed her mission the king was 689 00:36:17,980 --> 00:36:14,910 crowned in the cathedral at Reims and 690 00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:17,990 then at that moment 691 00:36:24,809 --> 00:36:21,440 the spirit left huh hmm and you could 692 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:24,819 knock her down with a feather and you 693 00:36:31,870 --> 00:36:28,210 can see you can see that in in in other 694 00:36:34,180 --> 00:36:31,880 historical characters Napoleon would be 695 00:36:38,020 --> 00:36:34,190 the same you can I think you can also 696 00:36:41,470 --> 00:36:38,030 see it in in in creative people you know 697 00:36:43,690 --> 00:36:41,480 somebody like Paul McCartney he was 698 00:36:48,030 --> 00:36:43,700 divinely inspired mm-hmm 699 00:36:51,069 --> 00:36:48,040 the Muni yeah he just he was unstoppable 700 00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:51,079 that music went all around the world and 701 00:37:00,880 --> 00:36:56,240 everyone loved it and then a little 702 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:00,890 while after the Beatles split up the 703 00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:03,410 music wasn't so good now let's leave it 704 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:07,280 like that yeah but I think I think we 705 00:37:16,270 --> 00:37:09,490 see that in our own lives 706 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:16,280 sometimes the tide is with us and and 707 00:37:22,380 --> 00:37:19,010 and nobody can stand in our way and at 708 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:22,390 other times the tide is going against us 709 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:26,450 mm-hmm so you know there are all sorts 710 00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:29,210 of ways I think I think we we experience 711 00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:32,260 the supernatural I think that we all 712 00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:35,599 mind-read even though we may not realize 713 00:37:45,690 --> 00:37:40,000 that we're doing it I think we may often 714 00:37:50,049 --> 00:37:45,700 walk down the street and thoughts that 715 00:37:53,799 --> 00:37:50,059 we have taken for our for our own 716 00:37:55,780 --> 00:37:53,809 thoughts are in fact the thoughts of the 717 00:37:58,960 --> 00:37:55,790 passerby that have floated into our 718 00:38:01,539 --> 00:37:58,970 mental space mm-hmm yeah you have a 719 00:38:03,940 --> 00:38:01,549 great line where you say if today we 720 00:38:06,130 --> 00:38:03,950 naturally think of people thinking in 721 00:38:08,650 --> 00:38:06,140 ancient times and in this esoteric view 722 00:38:09,940 --> 00:38:08,660 they think of thoughts peopling and I 723 00:38:11,140 --> 00:38:09,950 think that's a great way to put it but 724 00:38:15,250 --> 00:38:11,150 no one knows where your thoughts really 725 00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:15,260 come from no no no I don't know and wait 726 00:38:23,410 --> 00:38:19,089 if we're if we're sitting in the bar and 727 00:38:29,390 --> 00:38:23,420 and suddenly the greatest joke comes to 728 00:38:32,180 --> 00:38:29,400 you and you say it out loud and 729 00:38:34,940 --> 00:38:32,190 the whole room rules with laughter then 730 00:38:37,580 --> 00:38:34,950 of course you're very pleased to take 731 00:38:40,060 --> 00:38:37,590 credit for that time but in fact it just 732 00:38:42,770 --> 00:38:40,070 comes doesn't it it hides you right and 733 00:38:45,020 --> 00:38:42,780 as you say who knows where it comes from 734 00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:45,030 and and then sometimes we if you're in 735 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:47,760 very dark and difficult times if you're 736 00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,450 despairing and you find somewhere inside 737 00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:54,000 of you a line of thought that gives you 738 00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:55,040 comfort 739 00:39:01,970 --> 00:38:58,640 maybe that's the result of someone 740 00:39:05,090 --> 00:39:01,980 praying for you because I think that our 741 00:39:08,090 --> 00:39:05,100 our mental we the modern Western 742 00:39:12,170 --> 00:39:08,100 assumption is that our mental spaces is 743 00:39:14,420 --> 00:39:12,180 completely private but I think it may be 744 00:39:16,850 --> 00:39:14,430 much more porous than that and I think 745 00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,860 there's one way we can test it as I 746 00:39:23,630 --> 00:39:19,200 think there's one way which involves the 747 00:39:24,590 --> 00:39:23,640 telephone and I don't know why but I'd 748 00:39:26,330 --> 00:39:24,600 be interested to know if you're 749 00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:26,340 experienced if this if this kind of 750 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:29,220 chimes review but I think that listening 751 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:32,490 to somebody on the telephone can help 752 00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:36,930 you to to listen more intently and with 753 00:39:41,780 --> 00:39:38,880 more focus and I think it works 754 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:41,790 particularly well when what is at stake 755 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:44,490 what what is under discussion is is very 756 00:39:49,820 --> 00:39:47,850 important though that for example if you 757 00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:49,830 are asking someone about the results of 758 00:39:58,940 --> 00:39:55,280 their biopsy or if you're asking someone 759 00:40:02,840 --> 00:39:58,950 whether or not they still love you if 760 00:40:05,930 --> 00:40:02,850 there's a pause and replying I believe 761 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:05,940 you can tell quite clearly from the 762 00:40:12,020 --> 00:40:08,490 quality of the silence what the other 763 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:12,030 person is thinking you recognize that oh 764 00:40:16,220 --> 00:40:14,610 yeah yeah I would say that I do 765 00:40:18,260 --> 00:40:16,230 I've actually got a long history of 766 00:40:19,820 --> 00:40:18,270 feeling all hope dissipate while sitting 767 00:40:21,740 --> 00:40:19,830 on the phone through a deafening silence 768 00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:21,750 with nothing but Dashboard Confessional 769 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:24,000 to pull me out of it but there are a lot 770 00:40:27,530 --> 00:40:25,890 of odd little things about life when it 771 00:40:29,420 --> 00:40:27,540 comes to thoughts and consciousness 772 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:29,430 sometimes we'll be in a car and both 773 00:40:33,350 --> 00:40:31,290 people will have the thought of being 774 00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:33,360 hungry at the same time you know did you 775 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:35,310 both come to that idea at random or 776 00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:36,450 because you drove through a thought 777 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:38,280 cloud of hunger or maybe you just saw 778 00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:40,410 the same billboard it's really tough to 779 00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:41,760 test these things with so many 780 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:42,710 influences but 781 00:40:47,530 --> 00:40:44,570 as many as there might be that are 782 00:40:49,420 --> 00:40:47,540 obvious we do have to consider some less 783 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:49,430 obvious and unseen and quite possibly 784 00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:52,970 living influences are at play too it's a 785 00:40:59,260 --> 00:40:56,630 strange world indeed man yes and I think 786 00:41:03,040 --> 00:40:59,270 actually also that just the experience 787 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:03,050 of falling in love can be an experience 788 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:06,770 of the supernatural in our lives because 789 00:41:12,660 --> 00:41:09,170 if you if you fall in love and you know 790 00:41:14,890 --> 00:41:12,670 that this is meant to be you are 791 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:14,900 experiencing something which can't 792 00:41:21,609 --> 00:41:18,290 possibly be true in the universe of 793 00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:21,619 Richard Dawkins where all nations of 794 00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:26,960 Destiny are are a delusion I think that 795 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:28,730 that if you fall in love and you believe 796 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:30,530 it's meant to be or meant to be with 797 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:33,730 that person you have to choose between 798 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:36,650 believing and trusting in the 799 00:41:44,650 --> 00:41:41,170 authenticity of your own experience and 800 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:44,660 accepting the opinions of academic 801 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:48,530 expose mm-hmm well said and you 802 00:41:52,030 --> 00:41:50,210 mentioned art in the music little 803 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:52,040 earlier and another part of secret 804 00:41:55,540 --> 00:41:54,050 history of the world that I really liked 805 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:55,550 is when you talked about old art a 806 00:41:59,380 --> 00:41:57,650 little bit and a lot of the art work of 807 00:42:01,150 --> 00:41:59,390 the great painters you know it's held in 808 00:42:04,750 --> 00:42:01,160 such high regard and people say it's so 809 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:04,760 moving now I just write this off kind of 810 00:42:08,980 --> 00:42:06,530 as people trying to act cultures and 811 00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:08,990 dignified but funny enough I was in the 812 00:42:12,820 --> 00:42:11,119 Louvre just three weeks ago and was 813 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:12,830 lucky enough to see the Mona Lisa in 814 00:42:17,050 --> 00:42:15,050 person and really you talk about why the 815 00:42:19,150 --> 00:42:17,060 Mona Lisa is so valuable to quote the 816 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:19,160 book again you say it creates a magical 817 00:42:23,650 --> 00:42:22,010 space for Isis to inhabit it was created 818 00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:23,660 so that if you commune with it it will 819 00:42:28,060 --> 00:42:26,089 speak to you and that's pretty powerful 820 00:42:30,339 --> 00:42:28,070 I never thought of art in that way 821 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:30,349 really and the Mona Lisa I guess is 822 00:42:34,750 --> 00:42:32,330 basically a channeling device it's like 823 00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:34,760 a Ouija board in a painting you could 824 00:42:40,089 --> 00:42:38,000 say yes that's a really good way to put 825 00:42:43,550 --> 00:42:40,099 it well I think yes I think that you 826 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:43,560 mentioned earlier the idea that 827 00:42:51,710 --> 00:42:46,290 the the great spirits the higher angels 828 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:51,720 the gods as the universe became denser 829 00:42:59,870 --> 00:42:55,890 and denser as the world became a more 830 00:43:01,970 --> 00:42:59,880 material place these high spirits found 831 00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:01,980 it harder and harder to squeeze down 832 00:43:12,260 --> 00:43:07,440 into and to to influence events and so 833 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:12,270 the ancients devised ways of of helping 834 00:43:21,170 --> 00:43:17,130 them to come down to help us and the 835 00:43:25,390 --> 00:43:21,180 Great Pyramid for example in esoteric 836 00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:25,400 tradition is not is not a machine for 837 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:29,700 for projecting the spirit of the Pharaoh 838 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:32,610 out into the heavens Egyptians would 839 00:43:36,770 --> 00:43:35,010 have had absolutely no doubt that the 840 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:36,780 spirit of the Pharaoh with quite 841 00:43:41,380 --> 00:43:38,970 naturally ascent to the heavens there 842 00:43:45,940 --> 00:43:41,390 was no need to build a pyramid for that 843 00:43:51,550 --> 00:43:45,950 what the pyramids were for were to help 844 00:43:54,830 --> 00:43:51,560 draw down great beings who could become 845 00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:54,840 involved in in the history of the world 846 00:44:00,380 --> 00:43:57,570 and that and that still goes on into 847 00:44:03,260 --> 00:44:00,390 into modern times there's a there's an 848 00:44:06,290 --> 00:44:03,270 obelisk by the banks of the Thames I 849 00:44:09,730 --> 00:44:06,300 walk I walk past it every day on my way 850 00:44:15,290 --> 00:44:09,740 to work or Cleopatra's Needle which was 851 00:44:18,170 --> 00:44:15,300 erected there by by Freemasons in the 852 00:44:23,630 --> 00:44:18,180 latter half of the 19th century and it 853 00:44:28,010 --> 00:44:23,640 was erected at a propitious time and its 854 00:44:32,180 --> 00:44:28,020 twin obelisk was erected at exactly the 855 00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:32,190 same time by Freemasons in Central Park 856 00:44:41,180 --> 00:44:37,440 in New York and it was erected to mark 857 00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:41,190 the end of the Kali Yuga the dark the 858 00:44:50,570 --> 00:44:47,040 Dark Age and to help bring down from 859 00:44:54,050 --> 00:44:50,580 heaven a great spiritual being who's 860 00:44:55,020 --> 00:44:54,060 known in in Christian tradition as a 861 00:44:59,340 --> 00:44:55,030 Michael 862 00:45:03,210 --> 00:44:59,350 so so that still goes on and another 863 00:45:05,790 --> 00:45:03,220 another method that was was used in in 864 00:45:10,260 --> 00:45:05,800 ancient times would have been to a 865 00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:10,270 glitter sacrificial fire and the face 866 00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:14,460 the body of the God would sometimes 867 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:17,920 appear in the smoke well because these 868 00:45:23,310 --> 00:45:20,890 great spiritual beings might find it 869 00:45:25,790 --> 00:45:23,320 hard to move large objects around but 870 00:45:28,890 --> 00:45:25,800 they could still move the molecules of 871 00:45:33,390 --> 00:45:28,900 smoke around that's so interesting I 872 00:45:39,710 --> 00:45:33,400 think sometimes great spiritual music 873 00:45:44,900 --> 00:45:39,720 for example Mozart's Requiem Mass is 874 00:45:51,380 --> 00:45:44,910 designed a bit like that smoke by its 875 00:45:54,090 --> 00:45:51,390 patterns of vibrations to provide a body 876 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:54,100 which a great spiritual being can 877 00:45:58,560 --> 00:45:56,530 inhabit and communicate with us through 878 00:46:01,320 --> 00:45:58,570 the music yeah 879 00:46:02,460 --> 00:46:01,330 well man this has been really amazing I 880 00:46:04,620 --> 00:46:02,470 know you got to get out of here one of 881 00:46:05,850 --> 00:46:04,630 my favorite subjects before we call it 882 00:46:07,260 --> 00:46:05,860 in would you like to remind the people 883 00:46:08,820 --> 00:46:07,270 about your books and give them your 884 00:46:12,810 --> 00:46:08,830 website and all that good stuff one more 885 00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:12,820 time my my first book is called is 886 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:14,560 called the secret history of the world 887 00:46:22,020 --> 00:46:18,490 and the second book is called is called 888 00:46:26,490 --> 00:46:22,030 the sacred history and Greg I'm afraid I 889 00:46:28,890 --> 00:46:26,500 can't remember my websites mark booth 890 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:28,900 author right yeah I think so 891 00:46:36,570 --> 00:46:31,330 mark booth Arthur com yeah and you and 892 00:46:41,250 --> 00:46:36,580 also among many because I'm well known 893 00:46:44,220 --> 00:46:41,260 in in England as a publisher I published 894 00:46:46,170 --> 00:46:44,230 under a pen name here but I'm also onto 895 00:46:49,590 --> 00:46:46,180 it you found me on Twitter didn't you I 896 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:49,600 think so I'm on Twitter as as Jay black 897 00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,490 author I might be very happy 898 00:46:57,180 --> 00:46:53,920 fearlessness to following me on that 899 00:46:59,040 --> 00:46:57,190 very cool right on well mark thanks 900 00:47:01,140 --> 00:46:59,050 again this has been awesome take care of 901 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:01,150 yourself out there well thank you so 902 00:47:05,940 --> 00:47:02,890 much for having me on your side Greg I 903 00:47:07,740 --> 00:47:05,950 really enjoyed it you got it all right 904 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:07,750 all right all right higher side shatters 905 00:47:11,050 --> 00:47:08,450 that is 906 00:47:12,970 --> 00:47:11,060 a wrap it's funny how th see episodes 907 00:47:15,069 --> 00:47:12,980 come to be sometimes like I mentioned I 908 00:47:17,140 --> 00:47:15,079 happen to find this book and my buddy's 909 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:17,150 trunk and after he told me so much about 910 00:47:21,130 --> 00:47:19,490 it I got it myself and reached out to 911 00:47:22,930 --> 00:47:21,140 mark and there we have it 912 00:47:25,420 --> 00:47:22,940 Mark's book secret history of the world 913 00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:25,430 is a few years old at this point so he's 914 00:47:29,950 --> 00:47:27,710 a lot further along and his work and his 915 00:47:32,260 --> 00:47:29,960 focus and his new book the heretics 916 00:47:35,290 --> 00:47:32,270 handbook that's coming out soon seems to 917 00:47:37,150 --> 00:47:35,300 be a lot more about this issue of if 918 00:47:38,740 --> 00:47:37,160 this esoteric paradigm is a better 919 00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:38,750 description of reality how should we 920 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:40,609 live our lives what does that mean for 921 00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:42,890 the individual and so that did become a 922 00:47:47,260 --> 00:47:44,510 bigger part of the discussion and 923 00:47:48,940 --> 00:47:47,270 rightfully so also the things Mark had 924 00:47:50,829 --> 00:47:48,950 to say about Lorna Byrne were really 925 00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:50,839 interesting and were kind of talking 926 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:53,359 behind the scenes about maybe trying to 927 00:47:57,730 --> 00:47:55,490 get her on a future THC wouldn't that be 928 00:47:59,560 --> 00:47:57,740 something a bit funny that I had no idea 929 00:48:01,060 --> 00:47:59,570 he was Graham's publisher I ended up 930 00:48:03,700 --> 00:48:01,070 recording shows with the both of them 931 00:48:05,290 --> 00:48:03,710 within the same 48-hour period and I 932 00:48:07,569 --> 00:48:05,300 have gotten a ton of complaints from 933 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:07,579 listeners that feel I'm disrespectful of 934 00:48:11,140 --> 00:48:09,290 their religious beliefs and hopefully 935 00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:11,150 mark was a breath of fresh air for them 936 00:48:15,550 --> 00:48:13,280 if they're still around of course I 937 00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:15,560 don't like mainstream religion but there 938 00:48:19,450 --> 00:48:17,569 are some underpinnings there that I 939 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:19,460 think have value it's based on something 940 00:48:23,530 --> 00:48:21,650 and we did beat up on the atheists a bit 941 00:48:25,089 --> 00:48:23,540 but I think a healthy dose of mushrooms 942 00:48:27,550 --> 00:48:25,099 would really help those dudes out a bit 943 00:48:30,010 --> 00:48:27,560 they'd be a lot less cocksure about the 944 00:48:32,020 --> 00:48:30,020 world I know that also I noticed when I 945 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:32,030 was going back over the show that Mark 946 00:48:35,650 --> 00:48:34,010 did mention the vegetable body at one 947 00:48:37,870 --> 00:48:35,660 point and that's a great part of his 948 00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:37,880 book - because he mentions The Wizard of 949 00:48:42,460 --> 00:48:40,609 Oz and we've analyzed this story before 950 00:48:45,460 --> 00:48:42,470 and talked about the symbolism but I 951 00:48:47,530 --> 00:48:45,470 can't recall anyone equating the Lion 952 00:48:50,260 --> 00:48:47,540 the Scarecrow and the Tin Man to the 953 00:48:52,180 --> 00:48:50,270 animal vegetable and mineral elements of 954 00:48:53,950 --> 00:48:52,190 the self and I didn't mean to talk to 955 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:53,960 mark about that but it got away from me 956 00:48:59,050 --> 00:48:56,450 interesting though I do love to talk 957 00:49:01,120 --> 00:48:59,060 about art and the Muse as a channeling 958 00:49:03,130 --> 00:49:01,130 device that's right up my alley and it's 959 00:49:04,660 --> 00:49:03,140 pretty much the bridge between the free 960 00:49:07,329 --> 00:49:04,670 and the plus shows from there we got 961 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:07,339 into statues and sacred places being 962 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:09,890 vessels for spirits why one statue are 963 00:49:13,870 --> 00:49:11,690 painting over another the magical 964 00:49:15,579 --> 00:49:13,880 mechanisms behind such a thing how we 965 00:49:18,099 --> 00:49:15,589 ourselves can tune into these underlying 966 00:49:20,170 --> 00:49:18,109 forces the tweak reality communicating 967 00:49:22,330 --> 00:49:20,180 with entities in your own life what's in 968 00:49:24,100 --> 00:49:22,340 it for the guardian angel how the lords 969 00:49:26,170 --> 00:49:24,110 prayer is alchemical in nature and it's 970 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:26,180 connection to the pineal gland the brain 971 00:49:30,490 --> 00:49:28,610 plasticity of Tibetan monks how the 972 00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:30,500 planets influence our lives and a good 973 00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:32,240 bit about eso Taric influences in the 974 00:49:35,050 --> 00:49:33,680 founding of America by the Freemasons 975 00:49:36,940 --> 00:49:35,060 that made it happen 976 00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:36,950 throwing a little bit about Crowley and 977 00:49:40,510 --> 00:49:38,960 Marx views on ceremonial magic for good 978 00:49:42,550 --> 00:49:40,520 measure and I think you got a pretty 979 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:42,560 solid show it makes a nice place for 980 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:45,170 itself in the THC catalog and big thanks 981 00:49:49,060 --> 00:49:47,210 to mark for doing it that's it for 982 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:49,070 November December and January are 983 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:51,170 looking like a great mix of high-profile 984 00:49:56,380 --> 00:49:54,410 first-timers returning favorites and far 985 00:49:58,030 --> 00:49:56,390 out unknowns I'm a little bit nervous 986 00:50:00,460 --> 00:49:58,040 about a couple of them but nothing 987 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:00,470 ventured nothing gained so take care of